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Cursive writing rapidly becoming passé

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Cursive writing rapidly becoming passé

Researchers see a downside as keyboards replace pens in schools

The computer keyboard helped kill shorthand, and now it's threatening to finish off longhand. When handwritten essays were introduced on the SAT exams for the class of 2006, just 15 percent of the almost 1.5 million students wrote their answers in cursive. The rest? They printed. Block letters. And those college hopefuls are just the first edge of a wave of U.S. students who no longer get much handwriting instruction in the primary grades, frequently 10 minutes a day or less. As a result, more and more students struggle to read and write cursive.

Many educators shrug. Stacked up against teaching technology, foreign languages and the material on standardized tests, penmanship instruction seems a relic, teachers across the region say. But academics who specialize in writing acquisition argue that it's important cognitively, pointing to research that shows children without proficient handwriting skills produce simpler, shorter compositions, from the earliest grades.

Scholars who study original documents say the demise of handwriting will diminish the power and accuracy of future historical research. And others simply lament the loss of handwritten communication for its beauty, individualism and intimacy.

At Keene Mill Elementary in Springfield, Debbie Mattocks teaches cursive once a week to her gifted-and-talented group of third-graders -- mainly so they can read it. All their poems and stories are typed. Children in Fairfax County schools are taught keyboarding beginning in kindergarten.

Indeed, the SAT essays written in cursive had slightly higher average scores than those written in print, according to the College Board....

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Steve Andrews

I was talking about this the with someone the other day. I haven't used cursive in so long, i'm very sure I would makes loads of mistakes trying to use it today.

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:18 PM EDT
Tim Baxter

I don't use cursive because I can't read my own cursive handwriting. Block letters force me to slow down and form the damn letters.

On the other hand, when I was a reporter I got very fast with my little block letters. Reporter shorthand helps, too.

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:32 PM EDT
Ryan Stolte-Sawa

My dad's cursive is illegible to anyone. Like, scribbles on a page. God knows how he gets all the groceries he needs.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:16 PM EDT
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Ryan Joseph

I never used cursive. I'd do the worksheets back in grade-school, but that was it. I never used it in real life. My fiancee still does, as does my mother, but they're the only ones I know of. Bottom line: who cares? I'm glad to see it go. :-)

  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:32 PM EDT
Pete ZaHutt

The only time I see it now is on birthday cards from my mother and grandmother.

  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:00 AM EDT
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yasmin

I would hate to see cursive go. It can be very elegant.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:34 PM EDT
chill

I'm old. The other day, my mom sent me a letter and picture I sent here when I was four. My penmanship was better then. I was always sloppy and now just don't write. Usually I can't read my own notes.

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:49 PM EDT
fogplanter

My family chided me when I found an old school paper I wrote in elementary school. "You wrote better then" I was told. Now my cursive just looks like chicken scratch.

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:33 PM EDT
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rwarner

In my adult life I have always said that someday cursive writing will be a lost art. So I take every opportunity I have to "practice" my script. I love to write and I think if it is done well it is beautiful to look at. Great article by the way thanks for sharing.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:01 PM EDT
icarus4586

I'm 20 now, in my 3rd year of college. I was taught cursive in grade school, but I never got good enough at it to actually write in it on a regular basis. It was primarily presented as an alternative to printing (as in, "use this if you like it better, use printing if you like that better"). My printing was (and is) neater and faster. I don't know if it's a bad thing that fewer kids are using cursive, and I think you'd have a hard time proving that computers have had anything to do with it.

  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:53 PM EDT
atvance

My dad has never written in cursive, and growing up I thought that rather odd. I couldn't wait until they taught us how to write in cursive in elementary school. In college, one of my drafting classes had us write the alphabet in proper drafting style 25 times per week for the semester. After that, I can't bring myself to write in cursive anymore. I'm just as quick writing block letters as I was writing in cursive, though legibility ends up about the same depending on how fast I'm writing.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:33 PM EDT
tigerblade

I don't think I've used cursive since being taught it in... 3rd? 4th? grade. The closest I get to using cursive is signing my name, and even then it's more or less just sloppy, tilted printing. To me, cursive is just harder to read. It almost takes more effort to figure out how each letter is supposed to lead into the next, and differentiating a lowercase M from a lowercase N is just... no.

I mostly write in small caps anyway. So does my brother, and my sister. We picked it up from my dad, who for all I know picked it up from his dad.

  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:46 PM EDT
merrydeath

HA! take that Mrs. Haskins - I knew I didn't need to learn cursive - I win.

Unfortunately, my cursive writing still looks the same as it did in 1981 when I was in third grade and relegated to the remedial handwriting group.

When I shared this article with a friend, she suggested that often more technically minded people will write with all caps.

  • 6 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:56 PM EDT
tigerblade

she suggested that often more technically minded people will write with all caps.

so it's not just me then. woohoo! i agree with your friend... many of the 'technically minded' people i know do write in caps more often than not, while others tend to write either with lowercase printed letters or some sort of indecipherable cursive scrawl.

  • 2 votes
#10.1 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:26 PM EDT
Titan124

I find people who forgot how to make both cursive and lowercase write with caps...lol.

  • 1 vote
#10.2 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:47 PM EDT
tigerblade

heh, it's not that I've forgotten how to use cursive or lowercase... it's just that small caps is much cleaner to read, for me at least.

  • 1 vote
#10.3 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:09 PM EDT
Rigbee Dugane

Actually, for most people, a combination of upper- and lower-case is most readable.

As a rule, we're not reading the letters of the words, we're reading the shapes of the words. The ascenders and descenders help make the shapes of the words different enough that we can read them quickly, without having to stop and look at actual letters.

That's one of the reasons it's less than acceptable to type in all caps in Internet communications. It's just plain harder to read (plus it looks like you're shouting, which is rude). ;-)

  • 3 votes
#10.4 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:13 AM EDT
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Andrea A

Handwriting and spelling both a lost art. Maybe technology will catch up, its already started with ups and the department of motor vehicles with ink less signature computer pads.

  • 3 votes
Reply#11 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:06 PM EDT
Byronsnake

My cursive used to be excellent, but it got so sloppy that I began writing in small caps. My question is, if nobody learns cursive, is everybody going to be signing their names in block letters?

  • 4 votes
Reply#12 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:26 PM EDT
Titan124

In lower grades people still tend to learn cursive, and retain some knowledge from there. They develop their signature from what they know. For example, since I didn't practice cursive much, I forgot how to make a G, so the G in my last name is just a print G that I connect to the rest of the letters. I thought the M looked wierd so I made that a normal M too. I have a feeling that people will at least connect block letters as signatures.

  • 2 votes
#12.1 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:46 PM EDT
tigerblade

I have a feeling that people will at least connect block letters as signatures.

I do. It's just easier.

I wonder how many people still remember how to make a cursive Z. Upper- or lowercase. I know I wouldn't have a clue. I think I vaguely remember something about it looking remotely like a g... maybe?

  • 1 vote
#12.2 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:11 PM EDT
someone

The only thing I ever write in cursive is my signature... and it looks terrible. I don't even get all the letters in there most of the time (ok, all of the time). According to my wife, my signature is the first letter, a couple bumps and a squiggly line.

I have been thinking about using a print signature since it would be more legible. Are there are legal issues with a print signature vs. a cursive signature?

  • 1 vote
#12.3 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:57 PM EDT
tigerblade

I think the idea of the signature is that it be unique, and ideally difficult to copy. I don't sign in cursive, but my signature still looks scripty enough that it's not quite as easy as simple printed block letters. I think your signature can be whatever you wish it to be though -- I can't imagine there are laws as to what your signature may or may not be.

  • 1 vote
#12.4 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:05 PM EDT
someone

I should have corrected my wording before posting that. I know there aren't laws requiring a particular writing style. I should have said, do those of you using a print signature get feedback from banks, the DMV, merchants, etc. when using a print signature or does it seem to be widely accepted? I guess I have stuck with cursive for my signature because I've perceived it to be the "correct" thing to do. If it's generally accepted to print your name I may be more inclined to switch.

  • 1 vote
#12.5 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:45 PM EDT
Byronsnake

My signature is totally illegible, but I do it the same every time, and there's no way anybody could copy it unless they did it as fast as I do, and that would take years if they could do it at all.

  • 1 vote
#12.6 - Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:42 PM EDT
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JG.

My cursive is horrible these days. I remeber having to write an affirmation on a test (might have been the SATs) in cursive and how painful it was and I had only given up cursive a few years earlier then.

I gave up cursive in 8th grade. I remeber it being an active decision because I liked writing in print better. I also remeber that is was 8th grade because I remeber my 8th grade history teacher taking off 5 points
on an essay because I did not write in cursive!

No one seemed to mind my print in high school or college. I write so little now it acutally cramps my hand when I have to write at length!

  • 3 votes
Reply#13 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:13 PM EDT
tigerblade

I'm glad I print rather small... any time I have to fill out an application, I wonder how people like my mother can fit any of their information in those tiny little spaces. My printing (mostly small caps, mind you) barely fits in those little blanks.

But it's ok. That's why we have keyboards.

  • 2 votes
#13.1 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:27 PM EDT
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Titan124

I'm sorry, am I missing something? Why, again, is this a crisis?

  • 2 votes
Reply#14 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:43 PM EDT
tigerblade

I think it's considered part of the "dumbing down of America." We're all so dependent on computers for everything that we might be losing some of the more basic skills. Although I'm not sure why cursive would ever be considered a necessary skill. I always found it a bit annoying.

  • 2 votes
#14.1 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:13 PM EDT
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MartinEZ

I don't understand the problem. Soon, writting with pen and paper won't even be happening.

  • 3 votes
Reply#17 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:55 PM EDT
kikaiju

Big deal. I never officially learned to write in cursive. The reason escapes me but I was dead set against learning it. Most of my school experience was dominated by truly awful hand cramping, which we now know as carpal tunnel.

Pen and paper may be a creative force of some sort, but when it hurts like hell, that's torture, not creativity. I still have trouble writing more than a few paragraphs without pain, and what comes out is not easily readable even by me.

As a result, I moved to typing early and discovered I was good at it and that typing at speed unleashed a desire to write which I had never before been able to express. Looking back, I feel sorry for my penpals who would send me a simple handwritten letter and get back 12 pages of single-spaced typing. What a daunting thing that must have been. :(

  • 3 votes
Reply#18 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:55 PM EDT
Shawn Gordon

Carpal Tunnel occurs more frequently in keyboardists (like typing not like Frankie Goes to Hollywood). I think learning to write by hand helps your o read more than just printed pages. I think it would be terribly sad to have to whip out a hand written note to my sons teacher in 10 years and have her not understand what I wrote. Composition is an art form to some and in that art is handcrafting - which entails handwriting - specifically cursive. Any monkey can print letters.

@MartinEZ

I don't understand the problem. Soon, writting with pen and paper won't even be happening.

Really? pen and paper are cheaper than most anything, easy to keep track of, if you lose it you don't care, and it helps to sign for things or to write a prescription if you are a doctor... Pen and paper are underrated.

Yeah, paperless signatures, but if you never learn to write by hnd, you scribble something and it becomes worthless. Its just an example of how parts of society give up and then cheer about it.

Technology is so advanced we dont have to use primitive tools like pens in our hands - YAY!... how do you spell writted again? er writtinged?

Also it greatly helps with spelling (writting) and vocabulary becuase you rely more on your brain than a spellcheck when writing a word out.

@tigerblade

I think it's considered part of the "dumbing down of America." We're all so dependent on computers for everything that we might be losing some of the more basic skills.

I agree, if you think about it - these new web apps and aweb based OS suppliments are free now, but then they were just created. We're not getting any less connected to our PCs, and eventually we'll be paying 5 or 6 fees to just turn the damn thing on. Handwriting, has always been free...

  • 3 votes
Reply#19 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:52 AM EDT
Surya

I think the keyboard will become obsolete before pen and paper. Voice recognition is the future, I think. Imagine speaking your SMS text into your phone, and everything into your computer.

  • 4 votes
#19.1 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:01 AM EDT
Tim Baxter

Imagine a room full of 100 customer service reps, each trying to speak a customer's information into the system.

Now imagine you're one of the customers.

  • 3 votes
#19.2 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:01 AM EDT
akj

@Shawn:

Those who live in glass houses...

If you're going to make an example of MartinEZ's typo, you really ought to check your own writing. At the very least, Check Spelling would have saved you this lecture.

  • 1 vote
#19.3 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:52 AM EDT
tigerblade

I wonder how long it will be before we're completely unable to do such tasks as write, anyway. Dan Simmons wrote a great pair of books called "Ilium" and "Olympos" (two-book story) in which humans on Earth sometime in the future have gotten to the point where they no longer know how to do basic tasks like read, write, tell time, or make the most basic of tools. Their civilization had progressed into what was termed Post-Humans, who had then abandoned the planet for their orbiting ring-cities. The humans left on Earth were a few thousand old-style humans, completely dependent on the technology the Posts had created and embedded in them.

How long before we go back to signing with an X instead of an actual name?

  • 2 votes
#19.4 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:51 PM EDT
MartinEZ

I dnt undersand y spling maeters... Aftar al isnt the mesage beheind the peace wat maters mos?

  • 1 vote
#19.5 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:05 PM EDT
Byronsnake

One reason people have carpal tunnel problems is poor ergonomic setup and repetitive motion stress.

  • 2 votes
#19.6 - Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:08 PM EDT
Shawn Gordon

I think the keyboard will become obsolete before pen and paper. Voice recognition is the future, I think. Imagine speaking your SMS text into your phone, and everything into your computer.

hmm.... well cyber sex will show a sharp decline....

@akj & MartinEZ

If you're going to make an example of MartinEZ's typo, you really ought to check your own writing. At the very least, Check Spelling would have saved you this lecture.

I had just pointed it out.. not poking fun at. I almost always have an error in my typing, but almost never in my writing. This was my point, though it is the message the is important - however how it is displayed is the voice...

@tigerblade

I wonder how long it will be before we're completely unable to do such tasks as write, anyway. Dan Simmons wrote a great pair of books called "Ilium" and "Olympos" (two-book story) in which humans on Earth sometime in the future have gotten to the point where they no longer know how to do basic tasks like read, write, tell time, or make the most basic of tools. Their civilization had progressed into what was termed Post-Humans, who had then abandoned the planet for their orbiting ring-cities. The humans left on Earth were a few thousand old-style humans, completely dependent on the technology the Posts had created and embedded in them.

I had thought about something similar - like... the brain just gets so full of things, that eventually instead of overflowing, it just dumps the data with the oldest time stamp.... but on a genetic and biological level - kind of like evolution but accelerated due to mans inability to handle normal natural progression - sort of a kind of natural punishment of unnatural endeavors.

  • 1 vote
#19.7 - Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:16 PM EDT
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vladimer kerchenko

cursive is gay...... i resisted cursive from the 4th grade on and insisted on printing all my school work.

  • 1 vote
Reply#20 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:56 AM EDT
sirensongs

Something wrong with being "gay"??

  • 2 votes
#20.1 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:04 AM EDT
MartinEZ

No, but there is something wrong with cursive...

If all tots are tats, then are all tats, tots?

  • 1 vote
#20.2 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:50 PM EDT
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RJStanford

Has nobody here seen Idiocracy?

  • 2 votes
Reply#21 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:17 AM EDT
small WORLD podcast

I used to do calligraphy when I was a kid so I took great care when I wrote cursive. The again, I was also was very anal about how neat my block letters would look, too.

A few months ago I tried to write a few sentences in cursive and amazed at how much I had forgotten the rules. What the hell is a "z" supposed to look like, anyway? And my cursive was an eyesore. I also realized that my block writing looks terrible, too!

But you know what? I don't care. At this point in my life I'm more concerned with the content of what I'm writing, not how pretty it looks.

  • 5 votes
Reply#22 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:34 AM EDT
WebWeasel

People usually forget the 'Z' and 'Q' first. I vaguely remember that an uppercase Q looks like a '2'.

  • 2 votes
#22.1 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:09 AM EDT
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Brad Leclerc

My cursive looks like it was written by a semi-retarded monkey, and my block letters are almost as bad....I used to be able to write pretty well, cursive and otherwise...with both hands. Got lazy about a decade ago, now I'm quicker and better at the Grifiti writing system for my pda then the real thing.....sad I suppose in a way...but....meh.

  • 1 vote
Reply#23 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:49 AM EDT
Jynne

I was reading these comments and started to wonder if my cursive writing was "proper" so according to wiki I am not making my letters the way I was taught. Oh well, something else I have forgotten. : )

  • 3 votes
Reply#24 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:01 AM EDT
WebWeasel

Well, you know that memory is the second thing to go.

  • 3 votes
#24.1 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:11 AM EDT
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akj

Cursive writing, like anything else, is a skill. The ability to write in that fashion or read it, is just no longer a life skill. Reading cursive, because of all that has been written in that form, will remain a necessary skill for historical research (as noted in the article), albeit it is likely to be used less and less over time. Writing in cursive is obsolete. While there are technical aspects of the form and (some) yearning for the aesthetic quality in comparison to printing, it no longer serves any useful purpose.

  • 2 votes
Reply#25 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:07 AM EDT
sirensongs

That's funny; here and in India people love to see my signature (especially young people) because they are eager to learn script....evidently it is more difficult for them than the block printing, for obvious reasons, and not as widely taught. But they do want to learn it.

  • 2 votes
Reply#26 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:29 AM EDT
mipadi

I'm a twenty-year-old college student, and I write almost everything in cursive, except for short notes which I tend to write in capitals. I feel like I must be one of the last of my age group to not only write cursive, but be able to understand it, because people my age and younger constantly remark that they have trouble reading my handwriting. It's not because it's bad—I don't mean to sound immodest, but I've always had excellent handwriting—it's simply because they don't know how to read cursive anymore.

It's something I don't understand. Sure, typing is great and all, but for things that have to be handwritten, cursive is so much neater than printing while still being a lot faster to write.

  • 3 votes
Reply#27 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:34 AM EDT
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