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McCain's Poor Judgment Led To His Capture as a POW

Mon Oct 6, 2008 11:53 AM EDT
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Before the nose-job.

So that's how they know each other...

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That's right, I said it.

Since the McCain campaign has proven they're willing to say just about anything, allege anything, even questioning the patriotism of fellow US Senators, in particular Senator Obama, I'll simply play by the same rules.

Even the military has questioned John McCain's judgment. Why shouldn't we?

Three crashes early in his career led Navy officials to question or fault his judgment.

For a man that's tried to use his military background as proof for sound character and judgment, he's particularly protective of releasing any records to detail the result of the many investigations and resolutions regarding his military mistakes.

...McCain was on his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when a surface-to-air missile struck his A-4 attack jet. He was flying 3,000 feet above Hanoi.

A then-secret report issued in 1967 by McCain's squadron said the aviators had learned to stay at an altitude of 4,000 to 10,000 feet in heavy surface-to-air missile environments and look for approaching missiles. -- Source

McCain is more than an erratic, angry little man, he's also a liar.

Joe Klein: I Said McCain Was "Honorable," But "I Was Wrong"

Mississippi Senator Thad Cochran, a Republican, reflected the views of many of his colleagues earlier this year when he said:

"The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine...He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."

The erratic nature of McCain's campaign seems to be confirming that judgment. -- Source

I hope no one is naive enough to believe that McCain would not be making these same exact points if these were Obama's issues. McCain is proving as much with the newest insinuations by his "pitbull" in "lipstick".

The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly intervening in 1987 on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of a regulatory investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board.

Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment". -- Source

This point is even more relevant since we're in the midst of a huge bank bailout due to this same type of deregulation, which McCain has fought for his entire career and is currently "flip-flopping" on.

Please, no more Bush-nomics. It's all "fuzzy math". The "trickle down" theory is nothing but welfare for the rich.

"The heels are on, and the gloves are off". - Sarah Palin

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newsguru

I initially read this article and like everyone else have been hearing the soundbites and ads of the new "fiercer" McCain strategy and began thinking of the way the Karl Rove and the Repubs destroyed John Kerry record as a purple heart war hero and wondered how did McCain become exempt from examination.
Mishaps mark John McCain's record as naval aviator

It's the Economy stupid.

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
ABD3

6 planes in 26 missions!  No wonder he has 13 cars!

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
schnoo

abd3

;^)

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
newsguru

When I saw it, I said to the guard, "O.K., get the officer." An officer came in after a few minutes... I said, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." ...." - John S. McCain

-- "There's only one man this race who really ever snitched on fought for you."

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 6:01 PM EDT
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renee-512980

my husand call this in the primary when they was doing bio on mcsame and  he would always say every where john mcsame go someething bad happen  and they show him up on the gas tanker my husband sad that he had to mess with something that he didn't even know what he was going and done got every body blow up except hisself because he knew  that he was messing with things on the tanker. and i say why some one in the bottom five in his class get to fly any where let alone to nam no it was the pull that his father and  grand father had as admirals and they would give him the hook up in the military even thught he did not know anything by them doing this it made him look like a fool when he would mess it up  and then they would and could cover it up if you ever head of term it aint what you know it is who you know and this i believe was classic case all around that is reason he don't have story like obama & biden of triumpt and struggles because he ain t never been throw anything like what regular folks go throw  how you are going come up with a plan for me to keep my home  when you never had  to loss one? how you are you going to tell me about  the stuggles to send my kids to college and you never had to do that with your  because the money was always there for you and your family to pay for your kids college they proverly didn't have no loans to pay back.  am not hating on mcsame my point is he is just out of touch with regular people the american  people have been seeing that it is what it is that is why he have to result in smears, tactics and all the lies that you can mustard against obama and that is shame and this not going to work don't they know that by  now because everything that has been done to obama and said it never works because  god always turns the situations around to make it work in obama favor and when you have god& the truth on his side and allies like us on his side they (mcsame&palin)will always come out looking like the fools  that they are.. they are still really thinking that american people are going to buy this one they have came up with everything in the book they are making carl rove book like childs play and they are making what hillary throw out of the kichen look like a tea set.  they are going pass the kichen sink they are pulling doors on the hinges thowing them at obama and the cabinets and s*** and obama said that he is going to say on message because he see what they are trying to do,  but all this stuff that republicans is thowing at him . and all of this is just shooting blanks of course.,,, of course he is not going to just sit there if it gets to nasty he have to fire back and i don't blame him at all...

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
Christian Areas

The five senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly intervening in 1987 on behalf of Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of a regulatory investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board.

More evidence of his bipartisanship. LOL!

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 2:32 PM EDT
Christian Areas

McCain's judgment is really coming into question in these last weeks. Once that starts happening, it's really hard to recover.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
A. H. Min

Dude, he lost two planes because of engine trouble . Not because of bad piloting. Heck, he was even praised by the Navy for his piloting skills.

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
William Rice

The engine problems were because of his bad skills as a pilot. He stalled them out. I read the reports by pilots associated with the type of aircraft he flew.

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 10:07 AM EST
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Ken1014

Andy,
In all my time driving airplanes, several thousand hours, the engine failures I have encountered always gave warning before total outage.  Those warnings I heeded worked out great. 
 Those I ignored put me in deep scat.
Judgement man, judgement.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
TurboTerminator

Ditto Andy.....I fly those birds too all gave indications before freezing and got it back to base..didnt bail out.

  • 5 votes
#6.1 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
schnoo

ken

You still flying?

(Not right this minute, of course.)

  • 4 votes
#6.2 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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CallMeIshmael

I wonder if Cindy lets him near the cockpit of the family jet.  The Nose-Dive Express?

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 3:47 PM EDT
TarchonTheEtruscanDeleted
maggiemay-596099

Another lame article. Full of fiction,and very little fact. You should really get your facts right. The bomb that caught McCain's plane on fire did not come from his Jet. It came from another one Lady. Your husband is way off base. I wonder how any of you on here would have done in same place. Easy to play arm chair quaterback huh.

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
Demosthenes-683796

It is not a lame article maggiemay-596099, neither is it full of fiction. In fact it is remarkable for the restraint it shows. For instance, it does not go into detail about each of the plane crashes, nor into McCain's activities while a POW, when he was known for good reason as "The Songbird" by his Viet Cong captors, nor into the fatal car accident McCain was involved in while in the Navy in the early sixties.

It was clearly established in the subsequent Naval enquiry that when McCain wet-started his jet on the Forrestal, he caused the initial damage. It was not establshed exactly why he did, although it has been said that he did it in a temper-fueled rage to annoy the jet-jock behind him on the flight deck, with whom he had had an argument.

And no-one is being an arm-chair quarterback. The public is entitled to know the truth about McCain if he wants to be POTUS. What is good for the goose...

    #9.1 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:57 PM EDT
    bryson-684481

    You know a lot of don't know what to do when piloting a jet and being fired upon by SAM missiles, but then again a lot of us have not been to school to learn how fly in combet situations, and most of us don't use our failures to make people feel sorry us and support us despite our proven untrustworthiness. Six months ago i was going to vote republican (i was a Ron Paul fan but overall more likely to vote to the right) but the decisions McCain has made in the last couple months, plus things that i have learned about his past have made me seriously doubt him. At this point, I'm honestly very frightened of the prospect of a McCain-Palin Whiteouse.

      #9.2 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 2:59 PM EST
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      rbennett-1

      Where did you drive these planes Ken?

      • 3 votes
      Reply#10 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
      justbad

      I suppose the only poor judgement Nobamaexercised was the shady deal on the purchase of his mansion.

      The only people that make mistakes, or errors in judgement are those that do something! 23 missions over hostile territory, that is doing something.

      I'm no Bush fan, but the current financial crisis was largely built by the Democrats in congress.

      Wake Up!

      • 2 votes
      Reply#11 - Mon Oct 6, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
      Billman

      I'm no Bush fan, but the current financial crisis was largely built by the Democrats in congress.

      What makes you think that?...

      So typical of people who are threatened by the truth. Change the subject and make stuff up.

      • 2 votes
      #11.1 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 2:35 AM EST
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      renee-512980

       oh ya mcsame ain't stupid he know exactly who to do that to. and it wasn't obama and he know that trying to make those smart racist remark  it almost sliped out and he caught his self talking about this one. this one what? this n*****or this man what? what was he trying to say?  and this stuff he lose his temper on folks that he can lose his temper on, he is angry old man now that is true and erratic nature but my point is that he know who to do that with ..he knows the ones that  is going to straighten that too he ain't crazy... like he didn't say none of that stuff what he had been saying all week end at those k*** rallys  him and palin  they say folks what shouting racial slurs and everything now you know what that is folks....ain't know polls or campainge going to make me become racist that has to all ready there that is mcsame and it is what it is...you may not agree with me but that s all right we have disagree to agree or the other 

      • 1 vote
      Reply#12 - Wed Oct 8, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
      george ;^)

      McCain cheated on his first wife. On the 2nd,they been living apart for several years.The guy is adictated to gambling.Only reason he  chose Sahra Pollin was for a chance into her box. That lump in his mouth is Rove's balls.

       FYI:--In United Tits for Israel,the election of the president means nothing--it's the Juice stupids.

        Reply#13 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
        phillybecky

        I am an Obama supporter but I don't think that this i the right way to have this discussion.  An questionable war and the someone who felt it was his duty to serve is why McCain was a POW. 

          Reply#14 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
          ehutch-683497

          the republicans were in the majority of both houses since 1994. the dems finally got a slim non fillibuster proof majority 2 yrs ago and cannot formulate policy. how in the world can you blame the democrats for any of this mess. you are in serious denial . havent conservatives done enough damage to this country.  this time... lets vote for the smart candidate, okay morons.

            Reply#15 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
            Karina-683763

            Why are more people not talking about McCain's role in whitewashing Israel's 1969 attack on the USS Liberty which massacred 34 Navy servicemen. His father Adm. McCain actually told the nearby military NOT to intervene to help for 18 hours. Israel shot at an American ship for 18 hours, filling it with holes. Only God kept them afloat.

            McCain Should Explain About Liberty Killings
             
             

             
            ===
             

            Nader Presses McCain on Liberty Attack:
             

             

              Reply#16 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 10:15 PM EDT
              Demosthenes-683796

              It is not a lame article maggiemay-596099, neither is it full of fiction. In fact it is remarkable for the restraint it shows. For instance, it does not go into detail about each of the plane crashes, nor into McCain's activities while a POW, when he was known for good reason as "The Songbird" by his Viet Cong captors, nor into the fatal car accident McCain was involved in while in the Navy in the early sixties.

              It was clearly established in the subsequent Naval enquiry that when McCain wet-started his jet on the Forrestal, he caused the initial damage. It was not establshed exactly why he did, although it has been said that he did it in a temper-fueled rage to annoy the jet-jock behind him on the flight deck, with whom he had had an argument.

              And no-one is being an arm-chair quarterback. The public is entitled to know the truth about McCain if he wants to be POTUS. What is good for the goose...

              • 2 votes
              Reply#17 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:00 PM EDT
              John Hanks

              The world is made up of crooks, suckers, and lazy cowards.  A few instances of real heroism doesn't make a hero.  There is no such thing as a hero.  There is only heroism.  Even if McCain showed physical heroism, that would not mean that he has not acted like a moral and intellectual coward.

                Reply#18 - Sat Nov 1, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
                Duster011

                The VietNamese claimed about 400 US warplanes shot down over Hanoi, which was one of the most heavily defended targets US air power has ever encountered. I wouldn't fault McCain's judgement , skill, or bravery because he was one of the unlucky ones who was hit and went down. He was lucky to survive- most didn't.

                  However, how this episode and 5 year imprisonment earns him the title "hero" or provides some kind of expertise for knowing "how to win a war", or qualifies  him to be a better president is ridiculous. And it irritates me that he constantly refers to this experience as though it is something to be proud of . I don't now of any other soldier, sailor or airman who brags about having been captured by the enemy and caged like a dog for 5 years.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#19 - Sun Nov 2, 2008 12:06 AM EDT
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