Animal Rights Activists Throw Flour On Fur-Clad Lindsay Lohan

Btw, I wear fur. Rabbit, deerskin, and Russian sable are in my closet, and to each and every misguided fool out there, I'd love to see you people shoveling out cages instead of attacking people. Want to make a statement? Grab a shovel.

denn8714,

Have you ever used a shovel to clean a stable or a cage. I have so what does that have to do with killing animals to hang around your neck?

No I would not throw anything at another wearing furs. If I saw them hurting an animal I would and have gotten between them and the animal. I did not have to use a shovel.

denn..

You don't actually know whether these same people spend hours caring for animals in shelters, feeding and adopting strays, etc. IN ADDITION to participating in such harmless attacks do you?

Which explains why some might feel it necessary to do something that attracts public notice to their group and its goals. Because simply doing the good work is never going to make news and thus will not make change. Whether attacking Ms. Lohan with flour will is debatable but I'd have to think, it sounds like good clean fun.

Care to walk around the rest of the week with a mouth full of broken teeth?

What's up with the violence, man.  You eat alot of red meat?

Hello Ira! Good for you! Glad to see there's one person who wouldn't engage in that type of "protest"!

The point I am trying to make Ira, (oh, and the answer to your question is yes, I have cleaned out cages, more than I care to remember) is IMHO, the "organizations" and certain of their number, "protesters", who do engage in personal attacks, their energies, their passions, their "cause" would be better served by these people performing more constructive activities with that same time, energy, and devotion to their cause.

Maybe my analogy of "grab a shovel" was too crude, but it's a valid starting point, none the less.

Instead of spending time and money on blood or flour or paint, and organizing trips to locate targets of opportunity solely for the sake of "media shock", why not these same people show themselves instead devote that same time and money and energyfor say, education programs in schools to teach youngsters humane care of animals, canvassing voters to pass local issues on their ballots to better fund shelters, animal control departments, adoption programs, increase education of spay and neuter programs to help address the stray and feral population problems, etc.? 

These same people leading the discussions in the schools, these same people going door to door to the voters, these same people speaking around the country about the feral issue, I would think their message would be received in a much more positive light, don't you, instead of attacking people?

And a good place for them to start is picking up a shovel and a hose.

What's up with the violence, man.  You eat alot of red meat?

Actually, Glinda, I do. However, the analogy is a bit overused, don't you think? How about someone throws this crap on me, they're clearly not being nice to me. They have just then giving up their expectations and right for me to be nice to them. Personal attack in one direction can and does sometimes result in the action of self defense.

And I agree, some probably are out there cleaning cages, I'm saying let's see some of that as their "media shock" instead of attacking people.

And they're act of violence is acceptable in any form?

I'm with Denn on this one. Assault will be met with violence.

IMHO, can't this also fall within the scope of "responsibility for their actions"?

if only they we're only so uni-dimensional! (much sarcasm!)

so far, blood, red paint, and now flour, that I've seen!

If Ms. Lohan has Celiac disease, she might have reasonable legal grounds to press charges for something a little more severe than battery.

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jfrank:

Are you trying to be cute or do you have an opinion:

"Meanwhile flour activists throw dogs at animal rights activists." What does that mean?

Funny you should say that, jfrank.  My first thought was, great, I bet they bought the cheapest stuff, grown by some agri business that murdered millions of mice, voles, snakes, and insects in the growing and processing that flour.  Good job you freaks!

I hate animal activists.  They are clueless, rich white kids who have no clue about what the world is really about or what Nature really needs.  F***ing idiots. 

Are you trying to be cute or do you have an opinion:

I usually aim for both. More or less, I'm trying to say - acts like this get nothing done. It is a step backwards for any cause, why should someone take them serious when they act like children?

I think humor is a great way to get ideas across.

I hate animal activists.

I hate the fact these people are even considered activists.  Because they are far from it.

I hate the fact these people are even considered activists.  Because they are far from it.

Very true.  They are spoilt little terrorists who grew up thinking Bambi was an accurate depiction of Nature.  

Gwenny,

"They are spoilt little terrorists who grew up thinking Bambi was an accurate depiction of Nature."

No Bambi is a beautiful story that children and adults alike may enjoy, however the story is a  "feel good touchy" type tale, and not a true picture of Nature. It is no more a true picture of Nature than the evils of men who kill animals to wear their skins and furs for the sake of their ego. There has been a time, and still is a place and a time that cultures use the furs of animals to keep warm. That may be true to Nature. Those who drape a dead animal around their necks for the sake of showing the world how wonderful they are by doing this are neither very bright or decent.

I don't believe it serves the cause of helping animals by acting foolish, and throwing anything at individuals. On the other hand I do support the men and women who go out on ships to stop the slaughter of wales, or those that stop in a physical manner the evil and selfish people tha club baby seals to death for profit.

I don't support terrorists no matter what their cause is.  Too many activists are nothing more than terrorists who hate all humans.

Those who drape a dead animal around their necks for the sake of showing the world how wonderful they are by doing this are neither very bright or decent.

That is an opinion and it's not a very accurate one. People can wear fur because they want to, just like cotton or silk or nothing at all. What other people wear is their business and not subject to the constraints of your opinion.

Not to be a pest... but I didnt think Bambi was a feel good movie... they killed his mom fer crying out loud!

Social outcast, gets his mom shot, ends up with a cold dad, befriends crazy creatures of the forest, has his home burnt to the ground... sounds more like a candidate for psychotherapy to me.

:D  j/k

It's not that the movie was "feel good" . .it's that it started a trend in anthropomorphizing animals . . . putting human words, thoughts and actions into their mouths and minds.  This can be used to good effect, in that sometimes it's easier to look at something if you aren't trying to defend humans.  Aliens serve that  purpose a lot.  Like how Alien Nation addressed racism.  But it has gotten out of hand and many people grow up never knowing what the REAL world of nature is like and ascribe human feelings and thoughts to animals.  These people see animals as "cute little sibs who need to be protected."

Don't get me wrong.  I totally believe animals have "rights".  I believe that our using them, as they have evolved to be used, should involve as little suffering as possible on their part.  I even oppose pet ownership, seeing it as little more than slavery, however benevolent.  But animals are NOT humans.  Many exist in the ecosystem ONLY as food.  LOL  Humans evolved as predators and are one of the checks that is supposed to keep herbivores in control so they don't breed like . . .well, rabbits . . . and destroy ecosystems. :D

The stupidity has gotten out of control.  Like the environmental movement as a whole, animal rights started out good.  We do need to take companies to task for abusive policies.  But freeing a bunch of captive minks, which are going to die in horrible ways, is not doing a kindness to the minks.  Bombing companies, destroying private property and just being an all around ignorant git does the movement go good.

I used to be a proud member of Green Peace.  Not anymore.  It and the Sierra Club and PETA and all the rest have become terrorist groups.  And the irony that these "concerned" people are running around in Land Rovers, wearing designer clothes and advocating policies totally out of sync with nature and the needs of both animals and humanity just pisses me off.

Gwenny,

"I don't support terrorists no matter what their cause is.  Too many activists are nothing more than terrorists who hate all humans"

That is a real stretch. I guess with that sort of logic you could group anyone that you do not agree with along with all others that are alive and have an opinion other than those of yours. Does that make me a terrorist if I should support a program and act upon my feelings in a sane manner to stop the killing of people of unpopular religions in third world countries.

This is what you would be calling me, and all other activists that try to stop a wrong. At least what they believed to be a wrong by peaceful actions.

alarmist,, goon, rebel, revolutionary, subversive, thug. This will aid you in the future when you wish to call someone a terrorist for they also mean a terrorist.

And it might surprise you that I do not hate at all. That includes humans as well as animals. If I did hate I would do so after being called a terrorist since my younger brother was killed by one in a bombing in NY City. So I will forgive you for referring to me because of my beliefs as a terrorist, and in the future hope that you choose your words and logic a bit better.

Ira

Wheel,

"That is an opinion and it's not a very accurate one. People can wear fur because they want to, just like cotton or silk or nothing at all. What other people wear is their business and not subject to the constraints of your opinion."

I should know better to waste my time making an attempt to show an individual that there is a vast difference between cotton, silk and the life of a helpless animal. Opinions make law, and law is for the purpose of being able to live together as social beings. You say that what I wrote was not accurate. Why would someone kill a helpless animal to wear its fur other for show when now a days there are many other fabrics that would cost less to buy and wear and would have the same utility of value?

You say that it is not my business. Well I make it my business. Would it be your business if I did harm to something that was important to you. As I have written before I don't believe in hurting another human or animal, and mostly for my selfish pleasure.

You live as you see fit to live I can't do anything about that, but I will stand between an individual that harms an animal before me, and that individual. I have in the past and will do it again.

We are so arrogant, we forget that we are not the reason for evolution, we are not the point of evolution. We are part of evolution. Unfortunately, we believe that we've been created to dominate the planet, to dominate nature. Ain't true. Ted Danson

"Too many activists are nothing more than terrorists who hate all humans"

That is a real stretch. I guess with that sort of logic you could group anyone that you do not agree with along with all others that are alive and have an opinion other than those of yours.

We need a drastic decrease in human population if we ever hope to create a just and equitable world for animals -- Freeman Wickland, Animal Liberation League, and editor of "No Compromise" in "No Compromise", September 1996.

In a war you have to take up arms and people will get killed, and I can support that kind of action by petrol bombing and bombs under cars, and probably at a later stage, the shooting of vivisectors on their doorsteps. It's a war, and there's no other way you can stop vivisectors. -- Tim Daley, British Animal Liberation Front Leader (BBC interview, 1987).

Fire is a tool. Nothing does the amount of damage that fire can. Arson works. Make sure that all buildings or vehicles are free of creatures before lighting one single match. Arson should only be used when it can be guaranteed that the fire will not spread to the sheds the animals are in. -- (In the ALF publication "The Final Nail", under section entitled "Smashing the Furriers").

It would be really great if all these fast-food outlets, slaughter houses, these laboratories and the banks who fund them exploded tomorrow -- Peta Spokesperson Bruce Friedrich.

If the feed barn, and processing barns are away from the animals, and downwind, then they could be burned down. Otherwise mink releases are the only way to go. -- J.P. Goodwin while executive director of the Coalition Against the Fur Trade (As quoted on AR-Views, an animal rights Internet discussion group).

We are capable of dealing with anyone. No one has died yet but that time will come. -- Keith Mann of ALF, as quoted in the Evening Standard [London, Dec. 8, 1998). Mann was sentenced in 1994 to 14 years in prison for leading a gang which, in 1991, attacked almost 700 businesses in Manchester, UK.

Andrew Cunanan, because he got Versace to stop doing fur. -- PETA's David Mathews reply to Genre magazine's request for "Men We Love".

Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause. -- Alex Pacheco, Director, PETA.

I would be overjoyed when the first scientist is killed by a liberation activist. -- Vivien Smith of ALF (USA Today, September 3, 1991).

I should know better to waste my time making an attempt to show an individual that there is a vast difference between cotton, silk and the life of a helpless animal.

No, there isn't.  Silk is made by an insect larva that is BOILED ALIVE or injected with toxins to kill it to get silk. Thousands and thousands of insects go into a silk outfit such as Indian women love to wear. Cotton is grown in vast monoculture fields, using fertilizers and herbicides and pesticides, then harvested in a way that destroys much of the life that managed to eke out an existence in that great desert of cotton. How many animals died for YOUR wardrobe?

We are so arrogant, we forget that we are not the reason for evolution, we are not the point of evolution. We are part of evolution.

Yes, we ARE part of evolution.  We are predators.  Our job for millions of years was to keep food animals under control.  We are continuing to evolve.

Gwenny,

Your posted quotes are interesting, and many of them are made by individuals that take the cause of Animal Rights to an extreme as  well as do not help the cause that they are standing up for and fighting for. Yet sometimes strong and direct action must be taken. Actions should be taken within reason if solutions are to be found.

All this being true all individuals that believe in the dignity that should be shown to the beast of the field, and to other domestic animals are not terrorist. George Washington was not a terrorist and many others though our history and today that are and were angry at what humans do to each other, to animals and to the environment who take sane action against these practices are not terrorist.

If I would define all others who do not agree with me and my opinions as evil and as terrorist I would be a bigot. Those who group all others that do not agree with their values and call each other names putting all in groups that do wrong or are wrong because of their views are also bigots. I myself choose not to call anyone a bigot and do not have to since their actions as well as mine and others who might agree with me would define who we all are. 

If we have extreme actions on either side of a problem and group each other always together with what we may see as evil solutions  will never be found. The only way solutions to any problem can be found is by reason being used by decent people.

Ira, people who advocate burning property and killing ARE terrorists. What you (epic) FAIL to understand is I once considered myself an animal activists. I'm not calling sensible folks terrorists, I'm calling people who attack other people over a  political agenda TERRORISTS.   I don't care if they agree with me or not.  In fact, I share many of the opinions of animals rights fanatics, just with moderation and an understanding of the systems involved.  In fact, I was for animals rights before you were likely even born.  In fact, these people are dangerous terrorists and fanatics and effing idiots as well and your trying t make me seem like a bigot because I abhor violence is disingenuous and disgusts me.  These freaks are an embarrassment to folks who really care about the Earth and all its lifeforms.

Violence to advance a political agenda is TERRORISM.  If you advocate violence and extreme acts against people you are a TERRORIST.

You say that it is not my business. Well I make it my business.

There it is, making it your business. Then you should have no problem with people deciding that poking your nose into their business gives them leave to punch it. Don't give me the helpless animals crap. Animals have been prey for  all of history. If you don't like it,don't like wearing fur or eating meat. But don't expect me to go along with your decision because you think you have a right to 'make it your business'.

Wheel:

"Be kinder than necessary, everyone you meet is in some kind of battle." Comment made by Wheel under his profile on Newsvine"

You know my friend you are laughable. You write the above on your Newsvine profile, and than you write to me: 'There it is, making it your business. Then you should have no problem with people deciding that poking your nose into their business gives them leave to punch it. Don't give me the helpless animals crap."

I am so sorry that you are, for what ever reason, so unhappy and angry that you wish to punch me in the nose, which by the way would be a big mistake, and you think that being cruel to animals is "crap." What you write is aggressive and is not acceptable on Newsvine. Remarks of this nature have been removed before. I will not ask that your threat towards me be deleted since it says more about who you seem to be, and what you seem to stand for than I would ever be able to express in words alone.

Yes I believe that it is the business of anyone who sees evil being done to any creature human or animal to speak up against it. I will continue to do so hopefully in a non aggressive manner. When aggression does come my way, as it did at 71 years of age while working as a guard in a max juvenile prison, I was forced to put such aggression down and did. I am now 75 years old and still feel the same on matters of this sort.

Take a breath, cool down, and I would be glad in a civil manner to discuss this further with you.

Yes I believe that it is the business of anyone who sees evil being done to any creature human or animal to speak up against it.

There you go, calling people evil because they don't do what want them to. Then getting holier than thou when someone mentions that intruding where you don't belong and calling people evil because they do something you don't like might draw some retaliatory fire. Perhaps you should consider the meaning of that profile comment.

Wheel:

I guess that I do not quite get what you were saying in your profile statement. Perhaps you could explain that to me,

Evil to me is when a person that has the upper hand as humans have today over animals, and use these creatures for their own selfish purposes without taking into concideration of the effect on the creature that they harm. The same evil is performed when an individual does harm to another individual because some way or other he/she has the upper hand and can do so. Having the upper hand may be because of a position of power, being a bully or having a weapon that could be used to harm another.

When I see the above being done no matter in what form it might take, and I do not act to do what I can to prevent this harm from happening I would than consider myself as evil.

I do not believe that animals have been placed in this world for the selfish use of man. Nature can in itself be cruel. Animals hunt each other in the wild. There was a time when man to survive also hunted and killed. We are not longer, in most cases, in that time so when we kill to please our ego, and it is now easier to do so because of technology we are not only evil, to my way of thingking, but also lacking in ego.

Evil to me is when a person that has the upper hand as humans have today over animals, and use these creatures for their own selfish purposes without taking into concideration of the effect on the creature that they harm.

That is a flawed definition to say the least. This notion that eating what you catch or raise is evil shows a weakness of thought. Your god gave man dominion over animals.

The fact is that animals are prey, get that word? Prey. We eat them, that's the way of the world. You might as well call breathing or drinking evil. Learn something about real evil and get back to me.

Wheel:

If you would settle down in your bitter anger you would read within my comments that I have said that Nature can be cruel and there was and sometimes is still a time that man most hunt for food. I made it clear within my comments that this was not what I was speaking of. I was speaking of evil being when man because he/she has the upper hand will kill and mistreat animals for man's own pleasure. This would include the hunting of animals for trophies or the wearing of dead animal furs to satify a less than perfect ego.

Now about your "God" that has given you "dominion of animals. First of all in that book that you call the Bible that you wish to quote to me it says: "dominion over the beast of the field." It also says that man should feed the beast of burden before he takes food for himself, and if a beast of burden falls he should pick it up. If you are going to thump your Bible at me or anyone else first read it and understand what you have read.

You seem to be quick to hurt another live and decent creature that your God has put here not for us to mistreat but to live along with in an honorable manner. If you like combat so much go into a ring or cage and battle with another human that you will have to meet on an equal bases. Don't tell an older man, or for that matter any man, that you would punch them in the nose. You may find that since you have to now back up your boastful remarks without the advantages that you take in the maiming and killing of an animal, that you believe that God has  given you the right to do, that not only could you be hurt but also made a fool out of.

If you want to keep this conversation going stop reading into it what another writes ,and stop your name calling and telling others at a distance what you would do to them.

Ira

I have no anger, bitter or other wise. I'm trying to instruct a child who think animals are 'innocent' and 'helpless'.

Wheel,

You are as I said before laughable you are like the little girl that sat in the back of the room in grade school she never listen to what was being said so could not add anything to an intelligent discussion. It was a shame since the teacher and many of the other of the class wanted to give her a chance to express herself. She was too busy thinking that the world was against her so wined a lot. I met her years latter and she had never changed one bit. I tried again to be her friend but it was an impossible task.

You don't add any thing to a conversation. You read into what ever someone says what you want to hear. You have never made it clear to why you have no regard for animals only that you have none. When a statement is made within  the conversation you pass right by it and your come back is that you can't instruct a child. Name calling and insinuations are all  you are about. Some time in your life you must have been the target of bullies or have been picked on. So as an adult you make cowardly remarks from a distance as well as laughable juvenile threats.

I have tried to be civil with you hoping that in disagreement that perhaps could find so points of agreement. This has been an impossible task since you make a statement and when I have tried to respond to your statement what you do is ignor  what was said and make more negative remarks.

I will leave this conversation because it is going no place, Go ahead have no respect for animals or mankind just be sure that one of the bullies  that picked  on you when you were younger is not in front of  you when you are foolish enough with your anger out of control and you call him a name. The old saying is what goes around comes around. If if has not yet I'm afraid that it will with you in the future.

I really wish you well for if for no other reason that if you start to think a little more and stop throwing stones at a distance you won't kick the next puppy that may cross your path.

Once again you resort to calling names, since I don't agree with your view of things I...

have no respect for animals or mankind

You obviously know nothing except to insult people when they disagree with you and point out the weakness in your views. You go ahead and play with the other kids and live in the world of Bambi and other 'innocent' and 'helpless' creatures.

Grow up! I am perfectly well aware of the difference between cruelty and eating. You can't seem to separate the two. Obviously you've lived a good life without hunger or want. Good for you, many people have to eat what they can catch.

I, myself, just in the past week, have eaten deer stew, wild boar, and fish. They are prey, I predate. Get over you childish sensitivity.

You obviously know nothing except to insult people when they disagree with you and point out the weakness in your views.

Call him a terrorist.  It worked for me. ::giggle::

Gernny,

I didn't quite get what you were posting. Are you tell Wheel to call me a terrorist or are you saying that I should call him a terrorist. I was about to write a comment to you concerning your last comments to me saying that I please that we seem to have come to some civil understanding,and that I  glad of that. So I trust that you were not telling wheel to call me something. If so I was summing you up incorrectly. I hope not.

I said that I was leaving this thread, however I would hate to leave without first understanding you.

Who did I say was a terrorist?  You or Wheel?  Do you or do you not support the actions of groups that destroy private property and advocate murdering fellow human beings to advance their causes?

Gwenny,

I read from your most recent post that you were referring to me as a terrorist.

"Do you or do you not support the actions of groups that destroy private property and advocate murdering fellow human beings to advance their causes?" You have posted.

Gwenny, if you would take the time and effort to read what I have stated many times though out this thread you would see that I do not support this sort of action at all. You would also see that I have written that such action becomes counter productive for a cause. I go on to say that my younger brother was killed in a terrorist attack in NY City. So if you would settle down and stop throwing stones at a distance, and work for better solutions perhaps differences of opinions might be found, and we could all live with each other in harmony. Humans and animals as well.

You said, AND I QUOTE:

I don't believe it serves the cause of helping animals by acting foolish, and throwing anything at individuals. On the other hand I do support the men and women who go out on ships to stop the slaughter of wales, or those that stop in a physical manner the evil and selfish people tha club baby seals to death for profit.

You support terrorism.  The people that do those things also bomb labs, destroy private property and believe humans deserve to die.

These animal rights activists are terrorists.  I still don't understand why they are for bombing labs and hurting people...really makes no sense to me.

Idiots...

Gwenny,

"I don't believe it serves the cause of helping animals by acting foolish, and throwing anything at individuals. On the other hand I do support the men and women who go out on ships to stop the slaughter of whales, or those that stop in a physical manner the evil and selfish people that club baby seals to death for profit."

Yes this what I wrote. Read it and understand and see what I wrote. Note above what I made as bold. It says nothing about me harming anyone What it does say is that I would get between in a physical manner the person who was killing the whale or the person who was clubbing the seal. If you or anyone else would try to harm my dogs I would get between you and my dogs and by doing so stop you from harming them. If you advanced on me I would protect my dogs and myself in order that no harm was done to either my dogs and or myself.

This very same thing happen to me and my dogs a short time ago.A service man from AT & T came to work on the building that we live in. I was out side with my dogs who were on a lead. I told the service man to step back so I could remove my dogs away from the junction box that he wanted to work at. He kept walking forward into the area where the lead by a foot or two reached passed the junction box. My dogs ran forward to play with him. He did not know that they were not mean and stepped back beyond where the lead would allow them to run. He was out of reach of the dogs because of the length of the lead. I walked towards him as my dogs ran back towards me. Even through he was out of their reach at that moment he reached for an orange can which was pepper spray and sprayed it towards my dogs. The spray did not get on them because they were coming back towards where I stood. I moved forward still being a least seven feet from him and told him never to do that again and that he should get out of the area. He again reached for the pepper spray and sprayed it into my face and my left eye. I with my eye burning badly moved forward slowly telling him to leave. He moved back still being at least seven feet from me and took out a knife and waved it back and forth in front of me. At that time I showed him that I had nothing in my hands and said to him: "OK if that is what you want lets get at it."  He turned and ran into the street. As most cowards would do being put on the spot. I can add that this service man was in his 30's, and I am 75 years old. I also have a bit of a problem walking. The police was called and AT & T latter made an investigation of the matter. All found that I was correct in my actions.

So was I a terrorist doing what I did, and if I got between someone that aimed to harm an animal and the animal would you or anyone else have the right to speak of me as a terrorist. I am not the kind to damage another human, and will as above even in circumstances like I just wrote about will go far not to have to hurt another. This being so I have in the past years stopped two individuals that were attempting to get  their Pit Bulls to fight. Again was I a terrorist doing so.

The reason the I stay on this thread and speak to you Gwenny is not that it is important to me that I be right. It is important to me that you and others see that being humane to all is natural and a better way to live and get along.

I have given up on Wheel since I see that his mind is a trap door shut tightly and that anything that is said to him would be a waste. I don't wish to believe this of you.

This very same thing happen to me and my dogs a short time ago.

Excuse me?  You CLAIM to be for animals rights and you are enslaving dogs?  This conversation is over.  You are not a true animal activist, you are a poseur.

Gwenny,

Wheel I won't answer as I told him before I would not waste good time in commentary with someone so barren of intelligence, and so set in his self righteous ways.

Now as far as you are concerned I can say that I tried my best to reach you and failed. I always look for the best in people even those that appear to be offensive and attack. When I worked in the juvenile prison system at 71 years of age. I tried my best to reach many young boys that were on their way to self destruction, and to be harmful to others. I stepped back from them and only used physical force as a last effort. Many times these young people would settle down and we could talk. This was a bigger victory for me than humiliating these sometime large gang menbers in front of their compatriots by slapping him down on to the ground. Always doing so in a politically correct manner that was part of the prison regulations. I tried to see some good in you, and from your statement on this thread I have not found it to my chagrin.

 I have not brought up one remark that you have made that is racist as well as foolish. I will now since you continue to act in the manner you do. I will quote it here:

 "I hate animal activists.  They are clueless, rich white kids who have no clue about what the world is really about or what Nature really needs.  F***ing idiots."  

This shows your state of mind better than any of the foolish statements that you had said about me and to me. I did not before on this thread wish to bring this up since it would only fuel more of your nonobjective, prejudiced out look not only towards others of different races but also of different species.

When an individual makes a statement as quoted above putting a complete group into a box, and saying that they are all like that you are a bigot.

Like I wrote in my previous comment to you concerning placing myself between an individual that is attempting to hurt a defenseless animal I would do the same for a human. In other words unlike yourself  and Wheel I would and have put my body in the way of wrong not just my mouth. I am no hero but right is right. Sometimes you have to act and stop all the talk. In S.C a number of years ago I chose to stand up in a physical manner to the KKK two times. And did so alone. They turned out to be coward too. Beside saying your nasty things concerning; "white boys" when was the last time you stood up, or wheel stood up for an ethnic group yours or another? Putting your body and not just your mouth in harms way? I doubt that you both would unless with some sort of gang watching your back and a weapon in your hand.

So now that I have got that off my mind,which in the past I didn't want to bring up, I will move on and  leave both you and your friends to your own destruction.

It has amazed me that someone else had not brought that quote of yours up on this thread.

Wheel I won't answer as I told him before I would not waste good time in commentary with someone so barren of intelligence, and so set in his self righteous ways.

Self righteous?!?! This?! From you? Do you own a mirror? Look into it. That is the self righteous person you're talking about in it. As for barren of intelligence, you have proven yourself to be no judge of that.

 They should understand:  Humans > Animals.